Carl's responses to my open letter and my replies to them - 2

For the sake of keeping the main discussion together, I am posting Carl's response on October 7. Also my reply to it could be found right after his letter...

Hello again Fatih,
I see no reason to go on to respond to your responses, since your whole text seems to be based on some obscure motivation to discredit. Yet, it really has nothing to show to substantiate this. Nonetheless, it is quite possible that your thoughts reflect the thinking of a certain group of people and especially those who look to the contemporary Maya as an absolute authority for understanding the world. Regardless, none of the people that you mention as looking critically upon my work did anything to connect the Mayan calendar with the actual evolution of the universe. No connection between the Mayan calendar and the biological or historical evolution came from these sources. Yet, it is exactly this connection to reality in my work that has provided so much hope for people that are looking for a purpose and seeks it in the Mayan calendar. People that take the pain to check the facts that I am providing also find that they hold up amazingly well. You simply do not find this reality connection to the calendar system in anybody else’s work in the world today. Also, none of those you mention made any predictions and so put themselves at risk of being wrong. Yet, you shamefully claim about me that the “King is naked” as if there was no substance to my work. Even if there may have been an occasional error in my predictions, they have overall simply been amazingly correct. Moreover, some of the things I have been saying early on have only been verified long afterwards such as the “nine supports” in the Tortuguero Monument. Did you ever wonder how I knew this when I first wrote about the nine levels in 1994 even before this monument had been discovered? Probably not. It is a very much more comfortable position not to connect the calendar to reality and refuse to make predictions. Then you can simply limit your research to referring to what someone else is saying and be certain that you never make any mistakes. You yourself, do not even take a stand in the key issue of the end date, but still find it appropriate to criticize my predictions. If you ever wanted a reason why there is a risk that the planet may not be on its right course, you should maybe take a look at this as an example.
It seems the issue about my relationship to the contemporary Maya is very important to you and it seems they are much more of authority to you than they are to me. To me it has been clear from the outset that they have lost almost all parts of the calendar that are relevant for us to understand our current situation. If today they express an opinion on the longer calendars it is in fact based on information they have received from archeologists. Partly considering the violent oppression the Maya people have been subject to this loss is all very understandable, but there is on the other hand no reason to deny that this is the case. For me, who is primarily interested in knowing the truth this has had implications for how I have conducted my research. In order to find the truth on a larger scale it has thus been necessary to study and incorporate the calendar system of the ancient Maya or at least those parts of it that are true. I then also for instance do not adhere to the traditional tzolkin count because it is traditional, but because the traditional count happens to be true. Thus, I acknowledge my indebtedness to this ancient civilization and have many times spread the insight that the world of today intellectually owes a lot to Native American science.
I have however never claimed to speak on behalf of the contemporary Maya or claimed that they support my work even if there has been periods when some of them have. The reason for making the DVD interview with Don Alejandro was in fact that I wanted people to hear directly what a representative of the contemporary Maya is saying so they would not have to rely on me for knowing this. I have no ambition to present the viewpoint of any Mayan elder, especially since I have not been asked to represent any one and do not claim to speak on any one’s behalf. Having said this I should also add that I have much appreciated when elders have wanted to collaborate and have participated in global events, since this attests to a unity that goes beyond differing technical view points. I have also appreciated when elders have shared a common viewpoint with me such as the traditional tzolkin or the rejection of the December 21, 2012 date. My own theories were however developed in Sweden in the years 1994-96 and really do not owe much to the contemporary representatives of the Mayan people even if they sometimes conform. Their main inspiration source are the ancient Maya, but even with this background truth always has to stand on its own and cannot be dependent on what an ancient people believed or how their politics influenced the calendar. The truth that I have uncovered about the Mayan calendar stands on its own.
As I said initially I see no point in discussing specific technical points, since you seem to have murky intentions. We will simply have to see how things go and we will find out relatively soon. What can not be ignored however is that you are questioning my integrity in relationship to the Mayan elders and so I need to clarify a few points regarding this: First of all there were Mayan elders in the group that gave me the staff in Puerto Vallarta, who had been traveling for seventeen hours to arrange this ceremony going through all the roadblocks that the Mexican police are now setting up. They had been chanting and blessing the water for four hours before the group from the cruise came. I frankly do not care if these elders meet your requirements of racial purity or authority, because I know what lengths they went through and the depth of their cultural heritage. I have been in Mexico enough to know both Maya, Aztecs and Olmecs. Elizabeth Araujo who had joined the Cruise into 2012 – Surfing The Ninth Wave, a concept that was based on my work, went up on stage to receive a staff from these elders together with me. This has been posted on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADA_SH4lxMw. Secondly, if it is true what you are saying that Elizabeth Araujo claims that Don Alejandro has not received any money from the DVD that we made then she is simply lying. Since this is easy to prove I suggest that you check these things out. From you, Fatih, I demand a public apology and corrective action for implying this lacking integrity on my part. The truth is always the truth and it stands on its own no matter what perceived authorities may claim.

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Dear Carl,
First you need to understand that I am not belonging to any camp of thought. I don’t support 21/12/2012 end date, or I don’t think Maya is the absolute authority for understanding the world. I even give examples from Tibetan prophecies that I think are valuable. This comment of yours reflect how dualistic your thinking is. You easily come to the duality consciousness where there is you and your opponents. I have been even blamed to support 21/12/2012 date without any claims of mine into this direction. Somehow you believed that I changed camp from yours to the others’. I don’t live this way. If the Elders are lying than I will have the same attitude towards them that I have towards you. But your attitude has already proven that you are far from that Unity Conscioussness that you have been guiding towards. If you would have some accurate perception you would see that our thoughts reflect the duality in the unity, and you would see my real intentions. But as a teacher of mine, you failed this test and I am not following you anymore. If the end date of the Mayan calendar will bring difficult times, and it requires spiritual strength, I wish from God to be able to be next to Don Alejandro, or with some other spiritually mature men and pray with them, but not under your guidance.
You might be the one that has found about really interesting and accurate connections between the Mayan calendar and the reality of the world. I never stopped praising for these, even in this discussion. Please stop responding to some other people while writing to me. I am not anyone else, I am me. And I don’t care how other criticized your work at this point. What matters is there is only 21 days left to your end date and you need to prove your integrity, not because I will apologize but because of your integrity expressing itself. So coming back to the point, you might have great contributions for the understanding of the Mayan calendar, but attaching too strongly to your ideas you created a lot of oppositions with 21/12/2012 people and with the Elders. One of the reasons I am too heavy on you is that you “warn” people about the risks of believing in 21/12/2012 but when someone criticized your 28/10/2011 you defended it blindly. Why are you not flexible with this? And how about the risks of believing that 28/10/2011 is the end of the Mayan calendar? Are you aware how many people are hopefully waiting for the end of this month? I think you will be facing a huge social criticism if as Dr. Sitler says we don’t wake up enlightened in the morning of October 29.
To clarify the expression of “King is Naked”: You gained a lot of credit in the last two years due to several reasons, and as a result of this many people simply started jumping on your bandwagon of 9th wave. Are you aware that this is not so different from people jumping on the bandwagon of 21/12/2012? I repeatedly asked from you to clearly and distinctly prove why 28/10/2011 would be the true end date while 21/12/2012 is false. Looking at your scientific model, we would have to see clear signs and a clear evolution of seed to fruit in the 9th wave. But instead we see just chaos as you say and you even admited that humanity is behind the schedule. So, what if it’s not that humanity is behind the schedule but the schedule is wrong? Why cannot you be flexible on this?
I am not concerned about making mistakes or not about the predictions. I actually did predictions and I was wrong. But let me tell you what Carl, the real mistake is not of a mathematical nature, but of a spiritual nature. The consequences of making a mathematical error and misleading people because of this is much smaller compared to making a spiritual error and misleading people because of this. Therefore you have to be much more careful when you put yourself in a prophetic position in the society. I have to admit that I cannot do such a thing, not because it is uncomfortable because it requires perfect integrity and I don’t have it.
About the end date, I am with Don Alejandro and don’t believe any particulare date is proven to be the end date. I think the end date issue is not so important. I spend most of my time in practice, retreats and teaching esoteric spirituality instead of loosing so much time on these discussions.
Again it is not important if I do mistakes or not, I don’t have to have an authority to be able to question your theories. I am just simple person questioning your theories. You once asked “who are you to criticize me?” I am no one.
If the Elders were giving authority to the information provided by archeologists, why do you think Don Alejandro is refusing the 21/12/2012 date, as you repeatedly state? Why do you think he refuses this date that is given to him by archeologists and stick to his own opinion? What if he knows something that we don’t know? I personally would love to turn my antennas to someone who is a channel to ancient wisdom and the powers of the universe, instead of someone who’s outlook is clouded by rational thinking and keep changing opinions about the calendars and the predictions on a superficial mental level.
I was not there in the ceremony and I can only look at the video and the pictures and listen to the people who were there, you and Elizabeth. I don’t have any requirements that any elder should meet. Anyone belonging to the council of Elders have the right authority. Looking at the outfits at the pictures and the video it looks like the only Mayan around is Elizabeth Araujo. Just that she happened to be on the stage with you doesn’t mean she supported your situation there. And she repeatedly said that neither she nor Don Alejandro thinks that you are respecting the Mayan culture properly. If you were doing so it wouldn’t be suprising to see that you received a staff also from Don Alejandro. About the DVD issue, as I said I have to investigate the truth about it and maybe you can help me about it. This is the only piece of claim that I have which I will have to apologize if it turns out that you are right.